Was Tesla Battery Day a Let Down?
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  • Ben Sullins
    Ben Sullins

    Hope you enjoyed Battery Day! If you want to get more updates and skip the IT-my line join my email list (no spam, unsubscribe anytime) bensullins.com/join

    • junker jones
      junker jones

      Hi Ben, I just wondering if you and that woman you were simping for on that EV panel a while back still stand by your stance that other car companies are catching up to Tesla?

    • Random Stuff
      Random Stuff

      there just full size Radio control cars, almost identical. Combustion engines don't stand a chance against an electric vehicle unless they start creating more Hybrids then they might stand a chance in out performing Emotor powered vehicles.

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      Sev Auk

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      JEW WHITE SUPREMACIST

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  • Malte Laurids Brigge
    Malte Laurids Brigge

    How did they reclaim a crown with something that doesn't exist? Or from anything that doesn't exists? You just say it and that's it, suckers will believe it and accept it as though sitting there before them??? Has the sickness that permeates the US political system infected all aspects of US society including business - or was it vice versa? Thus someone who has yet to get anywhere near producing an actual example of a product announced long ago can continue simply declaring products and have them accepted as real? Not to pick on Tesla but given it's the subject here and they are probably the worst by far in employing this charade, how many products does Tesla currently already "owe" the public after having announced them, and even having taken deposits on many of them!? The 3 year old Roadster is just one example which was declared and then and there said to be the fastest 0-60 car around. Deposits were taken back then, no? And yet... It wouldn't win any races today. It still only exists as an image on a webpage. So why the hell would anyone continue to accept any product as "real" before it is clearly shown to be real???

  • Gmail X
    Gmail X

    There is nothing sustainable about Tesla cars. They are not zero emission and we just burn more coal to power them.

  • Hector Marrujo
    Hector Marrujo

    Hi, you mention that you have a Tesla power all code ...can you tell me what it is?....Thanks

  • musikSkool
    musikSkool

    Because cells have a finite lifespan, and because production of batteries produces emissions, they do have non-zero emissions. If you add up all the emissions produced by the battery factory, and divide that by the number of miles on average a battery lasts, then we will have the true number. It will be much lower than burning gas, but it won't be 0.

  • Charles Chong
    Charles Chong

    clickbaity title

  • David W Hamilton
    David W Hamilton

    Misleading title I don’t understand what you’re doing.

  • kalm dwn
    kalm dwn

    A tabless battery with lotsa mini tabs

  • Paul O'Neill
    Paul O'Neill

    I think Tesla has missed a trick here with this single radii cell pack. While the optimal circle packing fraction (area efficiency), in a square bounded space, is 78% (78% cells, 22% void), regardless of cell radii or hex vs square packing, this is for cells of equal radius. If the larger intracell voids are populated with small radii cells, this percentage can be increased. The voids between 4680's could accommodate 2170's, increasing the PACK energy density, though not "optimally". According to Wikipedia, there are apparently 9 "optimal" radius ratios for "compact" (all cells touching) binary radii packing schemes. See section on "Unequal Circles" in; @t The highest BINARY RADII "compact" packing fraction is 91.1627478% for a radius ratio of 0.545151042. This would mean either a new 25mm partner for the new 46mm cell OR a tabless 2170 variant with a new 38.5mm cell. This is assuming that, structurally, now the cooling is axial and not an intra-cell ribbon, touching cell cases (i.e. compact packing) would be better. Of course, it's also possible that "compact packing" isn't the best overall engineering solution, considering other factors like cell-cell thermal/mechanical isolation. Maybe a little space filled with a matrix adhesive between them is useful, in which case maybe there is some "optimal" 2170+4650 packing scheme with a couple of millimeters between cells. Even though this would add manufacturing complexity (to perfect the manufacture of entirely new small tabless cells) if they went for the optimal binary radii packing they'd achieve 91% packing efficiency, which is a 17% (0.91/0.78) improvement over single radii density. A 17% PACK energy density improvement for TWO standard cell sizes doesn't seem something to sniff at! Perfecting the manufacture of these binary radii cells would be a one-time cost, the 17% pack efficiency improvement would be forever, and mathematically unbeatable.

  • James Muecke
    James Muecke

    There is no human on earth that is squandering limited resources on a mad fantasy and on such a mad scale and that is the exact opposite of being environmentally responsible in such a manner as Elon Musk. There is nothing on earth to compare to the energy inefficiency and the inherent greenhouse abusing deeds, than the building and igniting of massive maned rocket ships, while all the time not caring that a billion people still have to drink filthy water and have no shoes. Everyone of you Musk groupies give Musk a pass on his evilness, because you are just as evil as he is.

  • Daniel Espee
    Daniel Espee

    If you edit the title I'll edit my dislike.

  • junker jones
    junker jones

    Hi Ben, I just wondering if you and that woman you were simping for on that EV panel a while back still stand by your stance that other car companies are catching up to Tesla?

  • Steve Michaud
    Steve Michaud

    Oufff relief 😅 I was afraid the b day was a let down, especially when I saw the question in the title and the thumbnail picture... ouff, relieved I am! Got to say you are showing good marketing and psychology skills ;-)

  • Henry Healy
    Henry Healy

    Didn't Elon say the Roadster wouldn't come out until the Plaid powertrain was available?

  • calpilot7
    calpilot7

    Lucid = FUGLY

  • J D
    J D

    Interesting... By the way Ben, yesterday, at the end of his driving and talking about battery day, Bjorn mentioned your channel as one to watch out for.

  • Stan Szeto
    Stan Szeto

    So what was the Let Down? Was there something that was expected to happen that didn't happen?

  • Femi Omomo
    Femi Omomo

    Regarding Tesla share price and client and stock holder concerns. If you watched the first hour of Battery day the following topics were all that were discussed in the forst hour. Some IT-my channels and news reports ignored these points that were raised. Stock holders proposals, these are points that stock holders want Tesla to address. Tesla was opposed to all of the following proposals. Which was very Donald Trump, AKA dictatorship like in their thinking, in my opinion. The first Stock holder proposal came from Mr McRichy. Complaints were as follows.. 1. Board members can only be removed if involved in criminal activity. 2. Individual directors can only be held accountable every three years! 3. The democratic way of voting must not be involved in the corporate governance of decision because as it stands, 33% of votes can win against 67% of opposition. Stock holder Dr Kelly Hall Addressed the lack of arbitration in Tesla, in other words employees do not have the right to complain about the following. 1. Discrimination / race and gender 2. Harassment She further states that Tesla are working unlawfully and against the civil rights act of 1964. She further names the Buffalo and Freemont plants as being the worst offenders. Stock holder Mr Terrence Colinsworth Stated the following objections Regarding human rights disclosure. He states five current violations of human rights. 1. Racism sexual harassment 2. Covid 19 protection is not only notvbeing addressed, but workers are facing retaliation from management when they ask for adequate protection. 3. Serious and deadly issues on in Tesla,s global supply chains. 4. Terry staes his organisation is currently bringing a law suit against Tesla for mining Colbolt mining in the democratic Republic of Congofor using child labour, Terry further states that he had met the children that were mining there, these boys had lost arms and legs during mine shaft collapses. This goes against Teslas code of conduct. Tesla is not only tolerating child labour in its Coblot supply chain but is tolerating the death and maiming of young child miners, this demonstrates why the company must circle back and begin a process to report on its treatment of human rights issues as requested in this proposal. Essentially Terry is asking for Teslar to do as they said they would in their human rights disclosure documents, which Tesla have not only written a false statement, but lied to their clients and share holders. My point is if Tesla have lied about this then who knows what else they have lied about. This to me undermines the good work that some the employees and management have done, it further undermines and makes fools of its client base, and shareholders. I am disappointed that these stock holder felt the need to have these points addressed at all, and for me these points dominated the whole event! Have we learnt nothing from the recent events people are just people and what we do and how we behave can nolonger be seen as a isolated incidents, but effect everyone everywhere sooner or later. On the financial side, If you are in any doubt ask Nike how the exposure of child labour affected their stock price!

  • Александр Ерин
    Александр Ерин

    livepd

  • James Muecke
    James Muecke

    So, Musk's "game changing" battery turns out to be only a incremental change in battery capability? And of course, with inflated numbers? Sur-pri-se! Sur-pri-se! Now, where did the "orders of magnitude" improvement hype go in this video? It vaporized into the aether. Musk is expecting his aether-grade of hype (which is also a narcissist-grade of duplicity) to be fully forgiven and forgotten by all his groupies. Narcissists carry no guilt for their exaggerations, and consequently, do not understand why others would call them on the carpet for their deceit. This battery is going to prove that it is so marginally "better" that it is not going to be worth spending the time to work out all the bugs. It will not be worth the cost to re-tool the battery production factories, and not worth re-tooling the car production factories. In turn, if the game-changing, 'orders of magnitude', improvement in the battery is just a few years down the road, then this battery should not be made for propelling cars. If Tesla actually starts putting this battery in its cars (and even if Panasonic manufactures it for Tesla) it will be a public confession that there is no game-changing battery in Tesla's 'skunk works'. . . not now, nor in the foreseeable future. Musk's announcement is actually a whimper about Tesla's failure to achieve 'the miracle leap' that would propel electric cars into the mainstream. This means there is still no guarantee of the electric car's future. His announcement only proves an electric-car-world remains nothing more than a distant dream. In turn, this also means Tesla is to remain a financial black-hole for all but the richest of Musk enthusiast. You groupies were warned he could not do it. You were told that any improvement he makes will, at best, be incremental. But your faith in him keeps carrying you along. In turn, you will rationalize away this most glaring of his battery failures, just as you have rationalized away his manufacturing, service and maintenance fiascos. The fact is he has not achieved a truly significant improvement in the automobile. In turn, he will continue to have to use Panasonic batteries in his cars for years to come -- because Tesla does not yet know how to mass produce reliable enough batteries. It comes down to this. It turns out the battery is the heart of a battery car -- not electric motors, not the wheels, not the interior, and not the computers -- though many of you seem to want to believe the computer software is the heart of the car -- but it is not. So, the Tesla will, for the foreseeable future, continue to really be a Panasonic car on the margins of the auto industry and only bought by the financially well-off who are also battery-car enthusiasts. One way of knowing whether what I am saying is true or not is to consider what happens to the Tesla car when its warranty expires. This has been proven for years, and it is being proven today, and it will continue to be proven tomorrow. When a Tesla runs out of its mediocre warranty, the value plummets like a brick and large numbers of cars end up setting on back lots (due to a lack of parts). Then, these cars are inevitably scavenged for their parts to put on other cars for which new parts cannot be obtained in a timely manner. This is a vicious downward cycle for Tesla -- that has not stopped after nearly twenty years of Tesla building cars. This situation is unimaginable for any company's success that is dependent for its success on the normal things of reliability, and first-rate service and maintenance. Instead, Tesla has farmed out its service and maintenance -- which has created a service and maintenance disaster -- even for many car owners who have cars still in warranty.

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    Ehsan Khan

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  • petar prasnjak
    petar prasnjak

    dont like ya

  • Peter Alvin
    Peter Alvin

    You forgot to mention that GM put $2B into Nikola; that's the best news Elon could have shared! LOL

  • Wayne Bagguley
    Wayne Bagguley

    So no new vehicle announced, no new self drive announcement, no new technology today, just vague promises about future plans and we all know how well Tesla deliver on their promises. Imagine if Apple did this at one of their events and just said that they maybe might possibly have a better battery in 3 years' time (probably 5 knowing Tesla), they would get slaughtered. Tesla are in big trouble.

  • BaneLoki
    BaneLoki

    I know it’s a reference to Space Balls, but plaid is the worst name ever...

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  • DK 777
    DK 777

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  • Moyin Adegbie
    Moyin Adegbie

    As a Geology student I RESPECT Engineering students & Engineers like Elon Musk. If my grades wouldn't have sucked I would've done Engineering.

  • Shane Strickland
    Shane Strickland

    Fake and Gay. Just another pumping of the stock. It will work out just like "Alien Dreadnaught" did, in total failure. But you can't slap battery cells together by hand in a tent. The results are clear, Tesla is now 20-30% more expensive for km of range than competing EVs. High performance competitors outperform it on all tracks & every metric (including 1/4 mile) except a single 30-min pre-warmed 0-60 launch. By the time Plaid comes along, Porche's lead will have grown. Investing in the technological laggard never works! Enjoy the decade of failure to come!

  • Michal Gulbicki
    Michal Gulbicki

    So Tesla tooks over battery chemistry and now is making own cells? So current Tesla cells providers like Panasonic, LG chem and CATL are screwed?

  • Sayed I
    Sayed I

    I don't know about you Ben, but I was kind of charged up after watching the Tesla battery day presentation. But I can see how some people were left drained

  • Loanword Eggcorn
    Loanword Eggcorn

    Tesla battery day was definitely a let down if you think cutting battery pack costs in half while increasing capacity by 50% is a bad thing. Basically this increases Tesla''s profits by $5k per car and means that can scale to tens of millions of cars per year. It also means they can profitably build tens of millions of $25k cars per year.

  • Manuel Garcia
    Manuel Garcia

    If you’re lack understanding of what was revealed in the meeting then seek advice. That was a major announcement.

  • Shawn Murphy
    Shawn Murphy

    It's only a let down if you don't understand incremental change. These are such large gains, that it can't even qualify as incremental, IMHO. This is the kind of innovation that Google used to provide.This is, also in IMHO, what happens when people that are used to working in a AGILE type environment take on problems. Why NASA trusts SpaceX. 1100 hp. smh.

  • Tyler Marsh
    Tyler Marsh

    🦾

  • Zeljko Serdar
    Zeljko Serdar

    Progress on that is what could make a $25,000 Tesla possible, or at least contribute significantly to that. If the automaker can get the price per kilowatt-hour of its batteries down, Musk suggested Tesla could potentially halve that figure from its current value, then suddenly the single most expensive component of a modern EV drops massively. In turn, production costs could be trimmed by as much as 69-percent. Get to those levels, and suddenly a $25k entry-level Tesla is possible. If Tesla is following a similar playbook with the Powerwall, then the company may very well be poised to announce some new upgrades for the home battery system soon. What these updates may be are merely speculations for now, of course, but it would not be surprising if some tech from Tesla’s expected million-mile battery would be rolled out to the Powerwall (3). My best guess is that they're already busy producing the new batteries and are getting rid of their old stock before it becomes worthless.

  • boobie McGuinness
    boobie McGuinness

    Why did you name your video double negative

  • micheal s
    micheal s

    this battery news is very very impressive, im sure anyone educated in this field can tell you, that reducing the price per kw/H by this much, is quite impressive

  • Alex
    Alex

    Nice video, but wrong title actually. Try to update it if you can! Gj tho

  • Frank Velik
    Frank Velik

    misleading title, not smart, dont do that, hubwring ahole levels. not funy.

  • Luciano Dato
    Luciano Dato

    Muy bueno Benjamín!

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    Luc Gaylie - Music

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  • J
    J

    who are you to comment? a battery expert. shut ur big mouth and just watch the original vid

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  • Felix Pereira
    Felix Pereira

    Are they trying a Apple approach to the car making and manufacturing .

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  • Doug Collins
    Doug Collins

    Battery Day basically said that “profits are going to be far off bc we plan to use our money to expand, reach every continent, and as for our new battery technology, don’t hold ur breath. It’s coming closer toward 2022. Kinda like how autonomy was supposed to happen 7 years ago”. I could be dead in 2022. How is tesla now at 386/share now vs 2400+/share when just about everything about Tesla’s improved?

  • K H
    K H

    What does "investment per GWH reduction" mean

  • Paolo Magni
    Paolo Magni

    Manufacturing means also assemblying, and Tesla vs Audi or Toyota is a no match currenlty, and Tesla is not the winner... Really hope the assemblying and detail focus will soon align with Tesla's others peculiarities and strong features.

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  • The Watcher In The Void
    The Watcher In The Void

    They serrously need competition

  • marc simmonds
    marc simmonds

    Only if you were hoping that the share price will be $1000 by next Wednesday. Otherwise it sounded (for the first time?) like a presentation from a grown-up company.

  • Marcus Johansson
    Marcus Johansson

    I think most people had an expectation that this new tech would directly show in the pricing of their cars.. none so, instead we got a $140.000 car.

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  • Robert Smith
    Robert Smith

    I bought 10 shares of Tesla at 630am CA time, all I could afford. 1110 shares of Tesla now but got most at 800, per split. Got Tesla at 371 and Hyllion at 39.05. Now what is Hyllion going to do, can't wait till the 28th!

  • Steven Casteel
    Steven Casteel

    Fully self driving cars in a month isn't good enough for ya? $25,000 price point in 3 years? Revolutionizing the manufacturing process from top to bottom?! Your thumbnail is very click-baity.

  • jimmy
    jimmy

    Battery day-- another kicking the can down the road by Musk. Always " soon, soon, soon " Always something bigger is coming. Musk has been doing this for a long long time and the acolytes keep drinking the kool aid. Call him " Mr Eventually" Just make and sell some cars will ya.

  • muhammad moghal
    muhammad moghal

    Fk you for the misleading headline.

  • Brian Hurford
    Brian Hurford

    So the company changed it's name to "Tezla"?

  • ArcHow
    ArcHow

    This is great

  • Ronald Lipack
    Ronald Lipack

    Let’s the cut the BS. Give us the facts already.

  • Jokeyvallage
    Jokeyvallage

    Despite the economic crisis I'm not selling off my shares The more these ignorant People sell there shares I'm buying it because I see Tesla and Crypto as the future

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  • Daniel Filippus
    Daniel Filippus

    Somebody said in a comment that Battery day was like an IQ test. If you didn't get it, well then you simply didn't ;)

  • Hyperdrive E
    Hyperdrive E

    Why are you always touching your face like that? Bat day was a IQ test. Did you pass?

  • Nick Foxer
    Nick Foxer

    In order to mitigate the Osbourne effect, I think Elon was downplaying how quickly some of these changes will be implemented.

  • Bryan St.Martin
    Bryan St.Martin

    Maybe he doesn't pull it off, completely, Edison had 1200 failures making the light bulb. Failure is only giving up. Insanity, on the other hand, is continually doing the same thing while expecting different results.

  • DAGenao
    DAGenao

    Quite honestly, I thought Battery Day was a total flop. It explains why the stock plummeted.

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